5 8 77

5/8/77 The Greatest Show That Never Really Happened

Happy 5/8/77 everyone!


In honor of the anniversary of The Greatest Show That Never Really Happened…


Track listing Actual Source
———— —————
1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/77
2.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/77
3.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/77
4.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/77
5.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/77
6.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/77
7.Lazy Lightnin’ [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/77
8.Supplication [4:21] ”
9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/77
10.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/77
11.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/77
12.Dancin’ in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)

Set II:

13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???
14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???
15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/77
16.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/76
17.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the
18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentifed NFA
19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76


20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77


From: D***** M******** (d********@n…)
Subject: 5/8/77 – The truth at last
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
View: Complete Thread (10 articles) | Original Format
Date: 1999/04/23

There’s been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on 5/8/77.
I’ve kept my silence on the subject for 22 years … now it’s finally time
to come clean on the whole subject.

The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren’t believing everything the military said about what was happening. This was an unprecedented event. Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public … or at least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind control. Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called Microsoft, they set out to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who opposed them: the hippies.

It isn’t widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of these mind
control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was a dismal failure.
2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the one time that the Dead
were not touring. This created all sorts of problems with the subject
audience. The more serious mistake was in not updating the criteria of the
experiment. Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969
version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The
sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew
the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of
the “show” and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. The
subjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they’d witnessed a true miracle.

Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment. That’s a
real shame because the version of
Dark Star->St Stephen->Eleven->Lovelight
used was supposedly the best ever. After a few drinks, the original
scientists still speak in awe about the music heard that day.

By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they learned
from their mistakes. A small group of college students (including yours
truly) were hired to attend shows from 1976 through 1977. Our job was to
collect tapes of the Dead’s performances, select which tunes to use, and to
help identify subjects for the upcoming experiment. The location and date
were chosen with equal care. It was a off-day during the tour and the
location close enough to the real concerts to be believed. Of more importance was the late snowfall that day. That unusual and easily confirmed
event provided the glue that would hold the implanted memories together.
Even now 22 years later, people “remembering” that concert use almost
identical words to describe leaving the show.

Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people were
given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear, “remember”
taping the show and were even provided “Audience” tapes to further cement
the hoax. Still others remember getting “horribly smashed” up front. None of
this actually occurred.

A week after the “concert” experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town of
Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must also be
convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired owner- ship of
all the local TV and radio stations through dummy corporations. Using
special chips developed by Microsoft, they played sublimbminal
messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius of Barton Hall.
For the most part, this programming still holds today although some people
did prove resistant to the message.

As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted by
“brew ziggins” is correct. The only mystery remaining is the Scarlet-> Fire.
That was actually performed by the Dead specifically for this experiment.
Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to convince him and the rest of
the band to go along. Plus he liked the idea of “pranking” a large group of
people like this. The fabled 2/6/77 “take a step back” rehearsal tape is
also from material taped for these experiments.

The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O’Connell who
edited the original tapes. I don’t know if it was just a coincidence or not,
but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes recorded by Betty
Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of the so-called “Betty
Boards”. Leaking these tapes also provided the first cracks in the hoax to
appear since the tapes were distributed to people who were not in the
experiment and who knew that no show was performed that day. It was
necessary to obtain their silence through blackmail, bribery and in extreme
cases, mind control itself. That’s also how this “show” came to be listed in
all the popular Dead show guides like DeadBase.

So what’s happened to these mind control techniques used in this experiment?
I got out of the program in 1978 but it’s obvious that they are still being
used today. Microsoft has used this power to become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They sure didn’t become that big by
providing quality products. It was used to shape public relation to the Gulf
War. It’s also clear that George Bush never understood the full power of
these methods. After the Gulf War, the technology was leaked to a young
governor who used them to be successfully elected to 2 terms as president and remain in power despite facing numerous charges that should have seen him removed from office or even thrown in prison. There are also indications
that this technology might explain the otherwise unbelievable popularity of
rap music.

That’s the whole story. I’ll probably end up in jail (or worse) for
revealing this but it feels good to finally get the whole thing off my


[this is something I sent to David Gins after he announced that he
would be playing excerpts from this “show” on the Grateful Dead Hour.
Given the, ah, wide range of opinions elicited by this show, I figured
this would come in handy.]


(please check all that apply)

Why are you wasting
[ ] your time
[ ] our time
[ ] precious FM bandwidth
…by playing 5-8-77?

Everybody on the planet already
[ ] knows that show is completely overrated.
[ ] has a copy.
[ ] is waiting to buy this show as a Dick’s Pick.
[ ] owns the bootleg.
[ ] has figured out that the show never even happened.

When I listen to the Grateful Dead Hour, I want to hear
[ ] More Pigpen shows.
[ ] More Brent shows.
[ ] More Vince shows.
[ ] by dont U plays some PHISH!!!!??

If you were going to play that show anyway, why didn’t you play
[ ] The complete “Lazy Lightning/Supplication”?
[ ] My copy, which is A+++++++++++++ sound quality?
[ ] 5-9-77 instead?

Why didn’t you include an interview with
[ ] Dennis McNally?
[ ] Rob Eaton?
[ ] Mickey Hart?
[ ] Phil’s liver?
[ ] jeff .tiedrich?
[ ] Brew Ziggins?
[ ] Chyna Kate?

In the future, please refrain from playing:
[ ] Any show that we’ve already heard before.
[ ] Any show that is in any way “overrated”.
[ ] Any show that is not a “classic”.
[ ] Any show that is not from 1973.
[ ] Any show that didn’t actually happen.


Um..here’s an interview with nutcase/presidential candidate, Lyndon

LaROUCHE: He was pro-Nazi.(Carl Jung) He was an occultist, satanic cultism.
I don’t know if he went as far as (Aleister) Crowley did in identifying
Satan, but it was the same structure. Allen Dulles(C.I.A. director) was very
close to this crowd personally. As to what was going on in Allen’s mind at
this time I don’t fully know. But then you get the MK-ULTRA operation.

60 Greatest Conspiracies: The mind control operation?

LaROUCHE: That was an Allen Dulles period operation which was run together
with the occult types in British intelligence, such as Aldous Huxley. And
also Gregory Bateson who created, for example, the Grateful Dead out of an
MK-ULTRA operation at the Palo Alto Veteran’s Hospital where he was
supervising. The first United States-grown rock group of that type, the
Grateful Dead, was generated as a British intelligence operation by the
Occult Bureau of Huxley and bateson out of the Palo Alto Veteran’s Hospital
where they were doing LSD and related experiments.

60 Greatest Conspiracies: Why would British intelligence want to put out a
rock group?

LaROUCHE: Well, this is part of the Satanism business. Call it the
counterculture. Call it the Dionysius model of the counterculture. Rock is
essentially a revival of the ancient Dionysic, Bacchic rituals. Lots of
people or long periods of time in that kind of particular rhythmic ritual
which was probably struck upon empirically many thousands of years ago for
this type of cult. It does have a relationship to the Alpha rhythms of the
brain. It does produce these sorts of states. If combined with a little
alcohol and more, shall we say, mood shaping substances, with youth, with
funny sex, this does produce a profound change of a countercultural type.

Another word for it: New Age. the longer term: age of Aquarius. People were
experimenting with various utopian models, constructing small groups
experimentally which were considered New Age types. How to create
experimental types that might survive the aftermath of a general nuclear

60 Greatest Conspiracies: Was this whole trend continued after Dulles’

LaROUCHE: He was not the controlling factor. I wouldn’t make him the evil
black widow spider. He was part of it. The operation goes way back. But in
the United States this particular operation goes to about 1938. The Nazis
were operating in the 1930s out of Hollywood and elsewhere with an occult
astrology racket kind of intelligence operation.

At that point the Huxley operation out there which is already established,
the marijuana operation and so forth in the 1930s, was already hooked up.
1963 I would say was a watershed year for explosion of this thing, around
the LSD, Beatles proliferation. And then you have another one in recent
years where explicit Satanism has really exploded.


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